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Turkey claims sovereignty of Imia again – Athens: “You should measure your words”

New provocations from Erdogan in Hagia Sophia

Turkey is questioning the Greek sovereignty of Imia, with a statement of its foreign ministry according to which this particular region of the Aegean is not granted to Greece under international treaties. In their statement they clarify that they will not accept any possible Greek decision regarding the geographic formations of the Aegean Sea whose legal status is being disputed”.

The Turkish Foreign Ministry’s announcement was made on the occasion of the Greek Law no. 4519 regarding 446 recently established “Natura 2000″ sites on land and sea. Ankara accuses the Greek side for taking advantage of international programs to promote its positions and to warned the European Union “not to become a tool in Greece’s efforts to politically exploit environmental programs”.

The response from the Greek foreign ministry was immediate. With a communiqué issued, it recommends Turkey to be carefull, as the violation of international law in the Aegean will have consequences and advices Ankara to “count its words”.

New provocations from Erdogan

Recep Tayyip Erdogan who was in Hagia Sophia to open an exhibition in the framework of the Istanbul Biennale. There he didn’t miss the opportunity to provoke yet again.
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The Turkish President attacked Europe again, claiming that they “destroyed our culture more than the West, those who have the western mindset”. As the correspondent of the SKAI in Constantinople, Manolis Kostidis, reported, Erdogan accused all those who “turned our mosques into museums. Like this one. They turned our mosques into stables”.

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  • TurKay

    Well, here we go again. I just want to remind you is that every country is bound by international treaties. I guess no one objects that. So about Kardak and other “sovereignty undetermined islands” are subject to international treaties. So, There are around 150 islands and islets and their sovereignty has not been handed over from the Ottomans to any country. When the International Permanent Arbitration Tribunal solved the armed conflict on an island and islets crisis (Hanis-Zukar Islands) between Eritrea and Yemen in 1995, which caused the death of two people, the court used the Lausanne Peace Treaty of the 16th comment on the article. With the court’s interpretation, the status of the islands of the Ottoman Empire were determined as “sovereignty undetermined islands”. According to the court decision and interpretations, the islands, islets, and rocks where the sovereignty has not been determined cannot belong to Greece based on the international law contrary to Greece claims.

    In this respect, it is legitimate to say that islands are the legacy of the Ottoman Empire to Turkey. The disputed islands in the Aegean are the islands where sovereignty has not been handed over in any treaty. Therefore, these islands were directly transferred to the Republic of Turkey which is the successor of the Ottoman Empire and the islands are the Turkish territory.

    These are the sovereignty determined islands in treaties:

    1 Egriboz (Euboea)
    2 Kuzey Sporat Adalari (North Sporat Islands)
    3 Kiklad Adalari (Cycladic Islands)
    4 Cuha (Cloth), Kucuk Cuha (Small Cloth)
    5 Girit (Crete)
    6 Midilli (Pony)
    7 Limni (Limni)
    8 Semadirek (Samothrace)
    9 Gokceada (Imbros)
    10 Bozcaada
    11 Sakiz
    12 Sisam (Samos)
    13 Ahikerya
    14 Tasoz (Thasos)
    15 Bozbaba
    16 Ipsara
    17 Tavsan Island (Rabbit Island)
    18 Rodos (Rhodes)

    Other islands and islets such as Kardak, Eşşek Adasi (Gaidaros), Nergiscik (Mandiraki), Bulamaç (Farmakonisi), Keci (Pserimos), Kızkardaşlar (Adelfia), Sirina , Üç adalar (Plakhida), Safran Adaları (Sofrana), İstakida (Astakidhapula), Kandilli (Kandhelioussa), Kocbaba (Kocpapas-Levita), Sirina Ardiccik (Zenari-Kinaros), Kendiroz (Liad), Khurshid (Furni), Fornoz (Fimena) and Koyun Adasi (Sheep Island) have not been handed over to Greece in any treaty.

    So please tell me how do you claim those islands without any international treaty?

    • themanews

      – “I just want to remind you is that every country is bound by international treaties. I guess no one objects that.”
      Actually, Turkey does. For example, according to the Lausanne Peace Treaty the Greek population in Contantinople, Imbros & Tenedos were to be protected just like the Muslims of western Thrace. Since then the population of the latter has grew to more than 200.000 people while the more than 300.000 Greeks of the areas mentioned above have been reduced to…3000 people, mostly senior citizens, after the ethnic cleansing of 1955 and the targeted laws against them that followed.

      – In list of the “disputed” islands you have included Gokceada (Imbros). It has been a Turkish island since 1923, don’t you know even that?… What exactly do you want us to do? Give you an island you already own??

      – Egriboz (Euboea)? Girit (Crete)?? Rodos (Rhodes)??? Really???? You’d better double-check your list. Just a friendly advice and your arguments…

      • TurKay

        “- In list of the “disputed” islands you have included Gokceada (Imbros). It has been a Turkish island since 1923, don’t you know even that?… What exactly do you want us to do? Give you an island you already own??
        – Egriboz (Euboea)? Girit (Crete)?? Rodos (Rhodes)??? Really???? You’d better double-check your list. Just a friendly advice and your arguments…”

        I think you have a comprehension problem on what you read. The sovereignty of those 18 islands I mentioned above were determined in international treaties. First think before you post. Ok?

        Second, There is no city named Constantinople. It is gone since 1453, get over it. Will you?

        Third, the incident you mentioned was wrong. Our country should have respected the minority and their rights. Period.

        Fourth, the disputed island and islets I listed were as follows: Kardak, Eşşek Adasi (Gaidaros), Nergiscik (Mandiraki), Bulamaç (Farmakonisi), Keci (Pserimos), Kızkardaşlar (Adelfia), Sirina , Üç adalar (Plakhida), Safran Adaları (Sofrana), İstakida (Astakidhapula), Kandilli (Kandhelioussa), Kocbaba (Kocpapas-Levita), Sirina Ardiccik (Zenari-Kinaros), Kendiroz (Liad), Khurshid (Furni), Fornoz (Fimena) and Koyun Adasi (Sheep Island). None of them have been handed over to Greece in any treaty.

        So I ask again, how do you claim those islands without any international treaty?

        I am not here for the dogfight. I really want to hear your reasoning. Do not change the subject and answer my question please.

        • themanews

          – You are right about the first one. You see we are so used to Turkey claiming everything, that when you say you don’t claim something, we may overlook it due to momentum. Sorry about that… However, my answer that follows covers some interesting parts of the list of islands you say their sovereignty is determined…and the other as well.

          – About Constantinople, it seems that you don’t want to get over it. I mean, you celebrate every year the anniversary the Fall of Constantinople. At least you people admit that you conquered it, because there are some funny people in Turkey who want to convince the Turkish people that you are indigenous…
          But even if you prefer Istanbul to Constantinople, it wouldn’t really matter. After all “Istanbul” is a Greek name as well.
          “Eις την Πόλη” = “At the City”, being the answer to the question “where are you going?” during the Byzantine times to travelers going there. They didn’t need to say “Constantinople”, as there wasn’t any other “City” of that grandeur in the Empire. The pronunciation is “Is tin Poli” that in time turned easily to “Istanbul” after 1453, especially when non-Greek speakers were hearing the expression.

          – “Third, the incident you mentioned was wrong. Our country should have respected the minority and their rights. Period.”
          Really? That’s it?? “Period”??? You get away with ethnic cleansing with just that???? Fine. And what is Turkey going to do to fix this, now that you people admitted it? IF of course Turkey OFFICIALLY admits it… Will the Greeks of Constantinople, Imbros and Tenedos be able to get their properties back? Will they be able to return to their homes? Are there going to be reparations to the victims? Or these people should be happy with just the “…it was wrong. Period.” answer?

          – Coming to the first point again, you give a list of the islands that their sovereignty has been determined -as you say- and another list of the islands that are…“up for grabs”. If you add the two lists they are just a tiny fraction of the number of islands that exist in the Aegean Sea. So here is the question: What is the status of the rest of them, according to Turkey?
          Also, your governments argue that Imia (Kardak) are Turkish. However, you have included them in the “up for grabs” list.
          And on another case, Rhodes (Rodos), along with the rest of the Dodecanese, actually HAVE been given to Greece fair & square in accordance with the international law.
          So, the question is: Where did you find these lists? We listen to some politicians in Turkey speaking of 18 islands that Turkey should claim, others say 154.
          So, what happens is that everybody in Turkey make their own “what-to-take-from-Greece” list? Like a shopping list or something? At least make up your mind, people… Agree on one list because this is a bit embarrassing…

          – Don’t take what we say and write as hatred or anything like that. We just don’t like the way your governments have been saying (and doing) for years. But then again you choose your leaders, don’t you…
          I know what you will say: “It is you who are provoking etc….”
          And then I will say: “You don’t really believe that Greece can or will…invade Turkey, do you?… etc.”
          We can write two books-worth of comments and still we won’t find many things to agree on.
          So let’s just drop it and hope that we won’t see any military action from either side in our wider neighborhood…