In a strikingly candid interview, the former head of the Pentagon’s office tasked with investigating “unidentified anomalous phenomena” or UAPs has admitted that a lot of UFO sightings are likely of this Earth — and top secret, to boot.

“There [are] a lot of observations of real, advanced US programs,” Sean Kirkpatrick, the now-former director of the Pentagon’s All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), told CNN‘s Peter Bergen in a new podcast interview. “But none of that is extraterrestrial in nature.”

As Kirkpatrick put it during his appearance on Bergen’s Audible podcast “In The Room,” lots of the initially unidentified crafts folks have historically spotted, from Roswell to those weird Chinese spy balloons, were the result of various secret military, intelligence, or even commercial projects.

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“There are a number of advanced technologies that are being commercialized that people don’t recognize,” the veteran Defense Department official, who retired from government service in December, told Bergen.

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